A forum member gets an informed response from DaveDaDonk in the forum:
Well I went for Moronses' online poker school, which was a "special offer" of $47 and you get all his written material, and access to videos on his web site. ONe video doesn't work. The course material is ok I guess but I got a lot more from Moshmans book. I'm gonna get Marty's SNG 3 pak videos.
I would advise against Moronse's as I am disappointed with it. I've heard Rothmans book material is about the same but I was sorry I used my limited funds to get Moronse's material instead. I understand the best part of Rothmans stuff is all the videos you get were he explaines hand by hand his method. I don't know if its' worth 97 bucks though. Maybe, but it's all pretty much the same info. I think videos are great though, because just reading hand analysis and trying the moves on your own in a real game can at times be daunting, but seeing someone explain it in an actual game and seeing it work seemed to give me more confidence in my games.
It might be more economical just to get Moshmans book if you don't have it already, and Martys' free videos and his SNG 3 pak for 10.95 I'm not downing Rothman and I wish I had the cash to spend on his course just because all the videos. But for now I'll have to stick with what I have. But for $97, you could get Moshmans' book and Martys' sit and go strategy videos and still have $50 to deposit in a poker account and get some practical experience.
From my own experience, my game has greatly improved by watching Marty's videos and rereading and rereading and rereading again sections of Moshmans book daily.
DaveBaDonk
"Never let them see you coming"
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Friday, September 26, 2008
Thursday, September 11, 2008
Does it all boil down to sit and go math now?
Well with so many ranked pros playing sit and go tournaments for a living now, turbos no less, there has been a movement to purely mathematical decision modules near the money and in the money. Colin Moshman brought a lot of this strategy to light in his sit and go strategy book released from two plus two last year. Even he though, pinpoints some drawbacks of using the independent chip model exclusively to make decisions. Those drawbacks may include your opponents skill and relative positions at the table in a given hand.
I think a lot of Colin Moshman's success, and that of his readers, come from emanating his style during the high blind stages in sit and go tournaments. And yes there are equity decisions in this stage as well, but the pure aggression of it all, is what turns certain sit and go tournaments into relatively mathematical based games of chance. I mean, a lot of these guys just play turbo sit and go tournaments leading half the field orange and mzoned 20 minutes into the tournament. There just isn't a lot of play there for bluffing or re-stealing when I bet at the flop is going to pot commit you anyhow.
There is simply more luck involved in turbo sit and go tournaments. So you can expect some high variance swings in your bankroll if you play these in the upper limits. Check some of these big-time players out on shark scope and you will see a drop of $100,000 to $200,000 is not unusual. Unless you can handle fluctuations as big as that, I would recommend you stick to sit and go tournaments under $100, and avoid turbos. This way your bankroll will build more consistently but also allow your opponents sufficient time to make those inevitable mistakes found in the lower levels.
There is caution to be taken at the bankroll building stage that may actually preclude you from playing this style of poker, and that would be the correct math for you. Not everything can be boiled down to simple math when your bankroll is considered too.
Yes, it's good to know the numbers, it's even better with a firm grasp of sit and go ICM. But you still have to take care of your bankroll while building that upward graph, not only an ROI percentage, but your education as well.
I think a lot of Colin Moshman's success, and that of his readers, come from emanating his style during the high blind stages in sit and go tournaments. And yes there are equity decisions in this stage as well, but the pure aggression of it all, is what turns certain sit and go tournaments into relatively mathematical based games of chance. I mean, a lot of these guys just play turbo sit and go tournaments leading half the field orange and mzoned 20 minutes into the tournament. There just isn't a lot of play there for bluffing or re-stealing when I bet at the flop is going to pot commit you anyhow.
There is simply more luck involved in turbo sit and go tournaments. So you can expect some high variance swings in your bankroll if you play these in the upper limits. Check some of these big-time players out on shark scope and you will see a drop of $100,000 to $200,000 is not unusual. Unless you can handle fluctuations as big as that, I would recommend you stick to sit and go tournaments under $100, and avoid turbos. This way your bankroll will build more consistently but also allow your opponents sufficient time to make those inevitable mistakes found in the lower levels.
There is caution to be taken at the bankroll building stage that may actually preclude you from playing this style of poker, and that would be the correct math for you. Not everything can be boiled down to simple math when your bankroll is considered too.
Yes, it's good to know the numbers, it's even better with a firm grasp of sit and go ICM. But you still have to take care of your bankroll while building that upward graph, not only an ROI percentage, but your education as well.
Is it possible to build a bankroll from nothing playing sit and go tournaments?
If it is and someone had done it, please tell me how?
I usually play (free games) at Full Tilt Poker, but would was wondering if anyone has used another site that makes it easier to start from nothing.
I myself have built a bankroll from playing freerolls before (on FTP actually). I won like $15 in a freeroll and played way outside my bankroll (not recommended). I played a few $5 SNG's and then moved up to $10 sit and go`s building my bankroll to like $250. Back then, I had no discipline and played the .5/1 NL games and donked it all away.
You could try building your bankroll this way, but it is near impossible to do on FTP. I think the lowest limit they have is like .10/.25 limit or something like that. This will be way outside your BR and you most likely will lose it all. Pokerstars is the best way to build a micro BR because they have .02/.04 limit and you only need about $12 to play these games. So if somehow you can win a freeroll on PSTARS great, but I think you would be better off depositing a small amount of money into PSTARS.
Shop around for freerolls. As an American, your choices are limited but you should be chasing freerolls across several sites. Just don't forget to sign up with an affiliate for rakeback.
I'm completely out of touch with the freeroll scene and it may take doing some of your own research as people often don't want to share juicy ones. Stars is terrible for freerolls unless you're a VIP. Usually you want smaller sites that are more aggressive in their marketing to n00bs.
Some affiliates used to offer small, no deposit bankrolls. However, I'm not sure if anyone is doing that anymore and the big downside is that you're usually giving up all future rakeback so you don't want to do that on a major site you're going to want to play a lot at later.
Keep in mind though that doing it this way is far from the most efficient. You can spend a lot of time just trying to get a viable bankroll together when you could just deposit $50 and start grinding $2NL right away.
I started on Stars with PPA freeroll, won a few bucks, then busted. Stars then threw $5 my way for never having made a deposit. Worked through $1.20 Sngs and 2,3,5 table SNGs. Switched to 2NL and worked up to 10NL looking to move up to 25NL in the next couple weeks.
Bodog runs a lot of free poker and unlike the stars freerolls they draw fewer people and have only one stage to cash. Look at the private freerolls on stars, many should be easy to qualify.
I usually play (free games) at Full Tilt Poker, but would was wondering if anyone has used another site that makes it easier to start from nothing.
I myself have built a bankroll from playing freerolls before (on FTP actually). I won like $15 in a freeroll and played way outside my bankroll (not recommended). I played a few $5 SNG's and then moved up to $10 sit and go`s building my bankroll to like $250. Back then, I had no discipline and played the .5/1 NL games and donked it all away.
You could try building your bankroll this way, but it is near impossible to do on FTP. I think the lowest limit they have is like .10/.25 limit or something like that. This will be way outside your BR and you most likely will lose it all. Pokerstars is the best way to build a micro BR because they have .02/.04 limit and you only need about $12 to play these games. So if somehow you can win a freeroll on PSTARS great, but I think you would be better off depositing a small amount of money into PSTARS.
Shop around for freerolls. As an American, your choices are limited but you should be chasing freerolls across several sites. Just don't forget to sign up with an affiliate for rakeback.
I'm completely out of touch with the freeroll scene and it may take doing some of your own research as people often don't want to share juicy ones. Stars is terrible for freerolls unless you're a VIP. Usually you want smaller sites that are more aggressive in their marketing to n00bs.
Some affiliates used to offer small, no deposit bankrolls. However, I'm not sure if anyone is doing that anymore and the big downside is that you're usually giving up all future rakeback so you don't want to do that on a major site you're going to want to play a lot at later.
Keep in mind though that doing it this way is far from the most efficient. You can spend a lot of time just trying to get a viable bankroll together when you could just deposit $50 and start grinding $2NL right away.
I started on Stars with PPA freeroll, won a few bucks, then busted. Stars then threw $5 my way for never having made a deposit. Worked through $1.20 Sngs and 2,3,5 table SNGs. Switched to 2NL and worked up to 10NL looking to move up to 25NL in the next couple weeks.
Bodog runs a lot of free poker and unlike the stars freerolls they draw fewer people and have only one stage to cash. Look at the private freerolls on stars, many should be easy to qualify.
Friday, September 05, 2008
Mid and Low Pairs
Its a good point you bring up here.
With low to mid pairs, there true value in NL Tourney play is hitting the set. So what you want to do with these hands in early stages of STT's MTT's is to see the flop cheap, try and hit a set, and double up with what is usually a strong lead.
You will hit a set with 2 paired hole cards on the flop about 1 in 8 times.
Here is a general rule of thumb. Call up to 10% of your stack to try and spike a set. There are some rules that go along with this.
- You must make sure one of your opponent has a bigger or equal stack
- Take position into consideration, are u likely to get reraised?
- your mzone, is it better to reshove /fold?
the reason it is 10% of your stack is maths.
you are 7.5-1 to hit the set.
if you double up, you will have invested 10% to win "90%" or getting 9-1.
hope this helps, ask questions if you need
With low to mid pairs, there true value in NL Tourney play is hitting the set. So what you want to do with these hands in early stages of STT's MTT's is to see the flop cheap, try and hit a set, and double up with what is usually a strong lead.
You will hit a set with 2 paired hole cards on the flop about 1 in 8 times.
Here is a general rule of thumb. Call up to 10% of your stack to try and spike a set. There are some rules that go along with this.
- You must make sure one of your opponent has a bigger or equal stack
- Take position into consideration, are u likely to get reraised?
- your mzone, is it better to reshove /fold?
the reason it is 10% of your stack is maths.
you are 7.5-1 to hit the set.
if you double up, you will have invested 10% to win "90%" or getting 9-1.
hope this helps, ask questions if you need
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